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"Lunch Is Out of Here"

June 9, 2008

I entered this industry through the side door.  Unlike 95+% of the people who work in the restaurant industry, I was hired into a corporate position as a financial analyst.  Quickly seeing where the action was, within two years I had weaseled my way into the operations department as an operations analyst. Same basic job, more colorful bosses.
 
Chris SullivanOne day I was told that I would be spending an hour with a hot shot, rising star, soon-to-be regional manager for Steak and Ale. His name was Chris Sullivan, and he would be spending a few days in the home office to broaden his awareness of how the corporate part of our company worked. I was asked to give him an overview of my job, and how it related to the field side of our business.
 
Chris showed up at my office, and you could already tell that after less than two days in the home office, he had definitely reached the end of his tolerance level for the corporate world. "So, what do you do?" he asked.  I gave him a quick rundown. Menu price analysis, budgeting, problem unit analysis, sales forecasting, and lots of other things that made Chris’s eyes glaze over. Seeing that I was losing him in less than 3 minutes, I told him that I had just completed a contribution analysis of lunch at Steak and Ale. The analysis was to determine how much profit lunch contributed to the overall profit of the concept. Chris came back to life. "We lose money at lunch," he declared.
 
I told him that was the reason I was asked to do this particular analysis. There were still many leaders within the company who had been with Steak and Ale when it was a dinner-only business, and they were not convinced that the addition of lunch had done anything for the company, except add to the work load of the people in the field. Chris was clearly one of these. I told him that while lunch was only 25% of our sales, that if you took an incremental approach to the analysis, and only charged lunch for the expenses that were directly related to lunch, it contributed 35% of our total profits. "No," he repeated. "We lose money at lunch."
 
So I proceeded to take him through the analysis line by line, starting with sales. At each line he nodded in agreement. "Yes. That is right. Yes. I agree with that." And it continued like that all of the way down the income statement. Then we reached the bottom line. Profit. I told him, "You can see that when you don’t charge lunch for rent, or for the general manager’s salary, and for the other things that wouldn’t change if lunch went away, that it contributes 35% of our profits." "No," he repeated one more time. "We lose money at lunch."
 
I remember thinking, either I am doing a terrible job of explaining this, or we are about to promote a very dumb person into a regional manager position. To determine which it was, I started at the top of the analysis again. Sales. "Yes." Labor. "Yes." No rent. "Yes." And so on, all the way down to the bottom of the income statement again. When I got to profit I repeated my conclusion, one more time, that lunch was very profitable to our company. "No," Chris said. "We lose money at lunch."
 
"Chris, how can you say yes all the way down the income statement, and then say no to the conclusion about the contribution of profit?" 

I remember his answer like it was yesterday, and it is the reason for this particular blog.
 
"Because," Chris said, "if you were out in our restaurants every day, instead of working in an office, you would know that the restaurant staff and managers are tired before the most profitable part of our business even starts. Your analysis is focused on lunch. If we didn’t have to do lunch, we would do a better job at dinner, more customers would come to dinner, dinner sales would be higher than they are today, and we would make a lot more profit than we are making with lunch and dinner combined today. I’ll tell you something. If I ever get a chance to run this thing, lunch is out of here."
 
I learned a lot in my one hour with Chris. He came in to be the student, and ended up being the teacher. It opened my eyes to the fact that analysis can’t be done in a vacuum. I often hear in the investment community the admonition to "do the math." I learned that day that you can do the math, but if you haven’t done your homework, and understand how our business lives and breathes, you will only get a math answer.
 
Chris Sullivan never got to run Steak and Ale. Instead, he was asked to run our other concept, Bennigan’s. He and his partners then franchised Chili’s in Florida and Georgia. After a few years, they sold it back to Chili’s corporate, took their profits, and opened Outback Steakhouse. True to his word, lunch was out of there.
 

Posted by Lane Cardwell on June 9, 2008 | Comments (7)
Industries: Operations , Research

June 11, 2008
In response to: "Lunch Is Out of Here"
Eve commented:

Their Cheeseburger in Paradise concept has lunch. Kind of a Chili's style concept so it makes sense to have lunch. I don't believe their other concepts have lunch.


June 10, 2008
In response to: "Lunch Is Out of Here"
Lane commented:

You are correct in that Steak and Ale's problem at lunch, and why Outback didn't go that direction, is the steak entree. Steak and Ale had to create an entirely different menu, not just offering smaller portions of dinner steaks. The customer saw them as one concept at lunch, and another at dinner. However, Chris has the same view of no lunch on all of their concepts, including their Italian concept, Carrabbas


June 10, 2008
In response to: "Lunch Is Out of Here"
JB McD commented:

I have to disagree with Chris Sullivan's viewpoint (although I know he has been more successful than most of us can even imagine). Most restaurants have a separate lunch and dinner crew so I don't see why the employees and managers would be tired, unless you are running your staff at the bare minimum and forcing double shifts. Creating a concept that offers managers only night shifts can be a dangerous quality of life issue when trying to attract and retain managers as well (may be the reason why Outback was one of the first to create a true Managing Partner incentive plan). Also, you need your kitchen prep crew to be there in the AM to handle a lot of the prep work as well as a manager and dish crew, otherwise you can be asking for trouble trying to utilize your kitchen for prep during your busiest cooking session. So why not throw in a few more employees and welcome your guests rather than pay for dead space. I wonder if Chris Sullivan's view is more swayed by the fact that both Outback and Steak and Ale sell predominantly steak or big ticket items - not always good sellers for lunch and I could understand how this would cause lunch to struggle, thus skewing his view somewhat.


June 10, 2008
In response to: "Lunch Is Out of Here"
a guy commented:

I don't know. If lunch was profitable and the problem was tired employees, why not just hire additional staff to cover lunch? The notion that a potential lunch customer will trade up to dinner simply because a rstaurant is closed at lunch may be as much wishful thinking as inspired brilliance. Just saying...


June 10, 2008
In response to: "Lunch Is Out of Here"
Orrick Nepomuceno commented:

Great analysis by Chris Sullivan. In a day when the term "people first" gets overused and I am not sure that many executive really believe in it. It is refreshing to see that Chris looked beyond the bean counter analysis and humanized the business. You can only know a business by understanding what is going on in the field.


June 9, 2008
In response to: "Lunch Is Out of Here"
Observer commented:

I have often wondered why Outback didn't serve lunch. It seems if you have that facility sitting there all day that it would make sense to make more use of it. Now I understand. An interesting way of looking at asset utilization. Outback views their people are the more important asset than the building.


June 9, 2008
In response to: "Lunch Is Out of Here"
Rex commented:

Your Chris Sullivan article hit a nerve as it approached the "trade down" principle that he was describing saying that people would "experience swap" the concept trading a cut rate lunch for a more lucrative dinner visit. My business has increased about 20% in the past few weeks and since I'm not doing anything differently I started asking customers why. Turns out they are coming to us for a nicer than normal lunch and cutting out dinner visits to other places. More folks than you might think are asking the spouse to "day dates". I wonder if this is an overall industry trend and one that other people might position themselves to capture or retain in this market where some of the big money is shifting down a notch. Also, please tell restaurateurs everywhere that their restaurants are dirty and we both know why. Deep cleaning is the first thing to go when the money gets tight.

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