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I Must Be Stupid
March 22, 2009
I have always thought of myself as the kind of person who can figure things out. Give me a problem or a situation, a couple of clues, and maybe a few hints along the way and I can usually find the answer. I don't think of myself as any better or worse than other people in my ability to do this. It seems that as you get older you just get more practice in figuring out the things that come your way. Recently, however, I am doubting this ability and think that I must be either losing ground, or am not as good at it as I thought I was. What happened to me to cause these second thoughts? The introduction of the Arby's Roastburger.
I have been watching in fascination the television commercials for the Arby's Roastburger. I have been paying very close attention to them for signs of exactly what the Roastburger was. Admittedly, the idea is very intriguing. A burger that is not a burger. Something that Arby's can throw before the public who have either gotten bored with the world of QSR burgers and the Arby's roast beef sandwiches, or who are simply looking for something that is a little bit healthier for you.
Arby's has had a good run with their Market Fresh sandwiches, however, for almost 45 years Arby's has been best known for their roast beef sandwiches. While the rest of QSR was pitching burgers, fried chicken and tacos, Arby's was marching to a different drummer. During the QSR discount wars I used to watch customers leave with 5, 10, or 15 roast beef sandwiches for a modest amount of money. They were good, they were different, and for better or worse, they weren't a burger.
Now here we have Arby's putting a full-court press on promoting and advertising their new line of Roastburgers. They are all over the TV, the radio, and the internet claiming that they are the best thing since, well, burgers. And I just haven't been to figure out by watching the ads exactly what was different about them from their legacy roast beef sandwich. It has been driving me crazy. Surely everyone else knows and I just can't see the obvious.

The idea is perfect: a burger for burger people that is almost a burger, but not exactly a burger. You could almost picture the Arby's marketing researchers pointing to a black hole in a market segmentation study where something should be, but wasn't. And what should be there? The Roastburger.
I finally got off the sofa, got into my car and drove to the nearest Arby's to experience the Roastburger. Clearly, secondary research wasn't going to answer the question. It was time for some primary research. I asked the guy at the counter taking my order what exactly the difference was in the meat that made it a Roastburger. "Nothing," he said. "It's the same meat, different bun, but now they have some toppings that you would find on a burger. Like lettuce, tomato, onions, and then cheese or bacon would be extra."
"Same meat, though?" "Yes, sir. That confuses everybody I talk to. They seem to think that we are doing something different to the meat because of the ads. Same roast beef, but now we top it like it was a burger."
I have taken restaurant math during my career. I used to know how to add things up and come to the right answer. For example, when I learned restaurant math the following would be true:
Roast Beef Sandwich + Lettuce, Tomato, Onions = Ultimate Roast Beef Sandwich or a Deluxe Roast Beef Sandwich (depending on your teacher)
Using the new math we have:
A + B = C2, where A = Arby's, B = Burger, C2 = Confused Customer
This is a big company with smart people. They do constant research and extensive field market testing. If their research tells them that it's not a problem trying to sell a roast beef sandwich called a burger to people that either don't want a burger (which is why they are in Arby's), or want a burger (why they are trying out Arby's), then it probably won't be a problem.
It reminds me of the old fairy tale of Rumpelstiltskin. He was a smallish creature who could spin straw into gold. And that is the brilliance of what we have here with the Roastburger. Don't dig for gold with a new product, let the marketers spin straw into gold. Why couldn't I see that? I must be stupid.
Posted by Lane Cardwell on March 22, 2009 | Comments (20)
Reader Comments
at 3/22/2009 9:29:24 PM, Steve J commented:
Differentiation does not mean different in the restaurant industry today. You’re the fist to know that; you continually point that out to us i.e. you last post. The continuum of niche marketing focus on building from sub-niche’s and encroachment in to the largest US single consumer food market, burgers. The burger segment is growing, while other niches contract; the economy has made the “burger” one of new comfort foods. Arby’s is simply trying to introduce itself to the largest retail food market niche in the USA! This pitch is clearly place and amid at 18-32 year olds as a product introduction. 18 to 32 year olds don’t carry our legacy “baggage” knowledge of the product or brand. I believe this will resonate with that niche as a better for you product in a dynamic niche. Your not stupid, neither an I nor are we 18 to 32 and thank god for that!
at 3/23/2009 9:25:41 AM, Glen commented:
I saw the TV ads too. I thought the roastburger looked good, was a little tired of the roastbeef sandwiches they had, and went to try one. It was the same product! I couldn't believe it. I felt like I had been duped. I talked to the manager and he said that new customers loved them, but ones that have been customers for a while don't understand that they are buying a "pimped up" roastbeef sandwich.
at 3/23/2009 10:32:22 AM, Mark M commented:
Adweek has chosen Arby's micro site www.burgergreaseart.com as its Ad of the Day for March 19. In the video, created for Arby's by Fletcher Martin, artist Phil Hansen paints a version of the Mona Lisa in grease from hamburgers. The micro site directs visitors to e-mail the site link to others or to the Arby's Web site to join Arby's Extras member e-mail club for a coupon for a free Roastburger.
at 3/23/2009 11:11:37 AM, Lane commented:
The advertising has been first rate and I loved the Mona Lisa video. Inspired.
at 3/23/2009 11:33:27 AM, Maryann commented:
Lane, your not stupid; you just forgot rule number one in restaurant industry leadership: It not about YOU!
at 3/23/2009 2:39:14 PM, Robert Angler commented:
Lane,
You may be happy to learn I am stupid too
at 3/23/2009 2:39:52 PM, Dennis in St. Louis commented:
The Roast Burger ads &
at 3/23/2009 3:03:12 PM, Beth Mansfield commented:
They could just go ahead and add prime rib to an actual burger patty, but then they would be copying the Prime Rib Burger Carl's Jr. &
at 3/23/2009 3:10:16 PM, Daniel in Atlanta commented:
I have to say, this particular campaign strikes me as more than a little dishonest: it's not a burger, and it's not really much of anything new.
Then again, in my cafeteria, we serve four pasta sauces that are actually just two--a marinara and an alfredo. The other two are the marinara with meat added and "creamy tomato," which is just the marinara and alfredo mixed together.
That's fine--and economically smart--but Arby's takes dressing up a familiar item and calling it something different to a new level. They're just not selling a burger, regardless of how clever their ads are.
At Richard Blais' upscale Flip burger boutique, burgers are made from kobe beef, turkey, pate, even wild mushrooms, but they're always patties. Because that's what burgers are.
As you imply at the end of your essay, Lane, this little bit of nonsensical dishonesty should backfire on Arby's, unless their market research really does indicate that people who don't want a burger still want to buy something called "burger."
at 3/23/2009 3:49:45 PM, chuck commented:
My first exposure to the tv commerical was that Arby's was attemptring to masquerade their roast beef sandwich as a burger by dressing it like a Whopper.
A burger's foundation is a patty. If not it's not a burger.
at 3/23/2009 3:56:47 PM, Carl T. HOWARD commented:
I could easily take MaryAnn’s approach and blame you Lane but I was thinking the same thought. Are you kidding it is deceptive and just makes no sense. Sorry Arby's but most people will catch on pretty quick.
at 3/24/2009 1:27:47 PM, Julie Reid commented:
When these were first introduced I scratched my head - it reminded me of Beanie BUDDIES, in a way. Beanie BABIES were popular because they were smaller &
at 3/24/2009 1:29:42 PM, Julie Reid commented:
...they were smaller & more affordable. Then they introduced Beanie BUDDIES. Weren't those just 'stuffed animals' with a new name, much like this is an ultimate roast beef sandwich in the 'burger category'?
at 3/25/2009 8:18:53 AM, Alison BRUSHABER commented:
I laughed out loud over the 'I Must be Stupid' post. I have been developing products for restaurant chains for years and when you watch trends design products by committee, ideas like 'let's just call it a burger' sound like a good idea. It will be interesting to see the consumer's response. I think we are now dealing with an educated consumer and they cannot be fooled. Market Fresh sandwiches were a new product with new flavors and textures that offered an alternative to the sliced beef. Will this line provide the same 'new news'? Time will tell.
at 3/27/2009 10:32:58 AM, Chain Leader commented:
Would a stupid person be a finalist for Best Blogger in the Jesse H. Neal National Business Journalism Awards, the Pulitzer prize of business-to-business journalism? (tinyurl.com/cm6udr) We don't think so. Congratulations, Lane!
at 4/1/2009 10:04:20 AM, Carol C commented:
you're" correctly... the misspelled word hurts your argument :)c;
at 4/1/2009 10:07:54 AM, Carol C commented:
OK. I must be stupid because only the last phrase of my comment printed. So I'll type it again.
First of all: Lane, Congratulations on the award. Also a agree with your blog entirely. I didn't understand how Arbys could disrespect a burger and promote it at the same time. Also, please guys, spell you're"
at 4/1/2009 11:28:58 AM, Chain Leader commented:
Carol, sorry about the comment-posting problem. For some reason the system doesn't like quotation marks. Weird. We're working on it. Thank you for reposting.
at 4/7/2009 6:08:49 PM, PiterKokoniz commented:
Hello !!!! :)
I am Piter Kokoniz. Just want to tell, that your posts are really interesting
And want to ask you: is this blog your hobby?
Sorry for my bad english:)
Tnx!
Your Piter
at 4/7/2009 9:57:37 PM, Lane commented:
Piter, It's more like therapy than a hobby. Thanks for the kind words.

















